The 600,000 Dutch that travel daily by train will now do so thanks purely to wind energy, with the national rail operator Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS) announcing that 100 percent of its. Netherlands take e-mobility to next level: 100% of countrys trains are powered by #wind: https://t.co/U1oDry30ll pic.twitter.com/c0vrXxrDZl, UN Climate Change (@UNFCCC) January 10, 2017. ) can ever bring them off balance They dont understand, but they believe ! The point about this is that it is just PR. Surprisingly, even the electricity is sourced from windmill electric generato. There are several Dutch turbine manufacturers that continue to manufacture both large and small installations for domestic and international clients. Active 2016. Windmills have historically played a major part in the Netherlands by providing an alternative to water driven mills. I am surrounded by almost 3000 MWs of hydro power in my county alone, but because of these guarantees of origin my supposed consumption is very dirty, consisting mostly of a central European mix of coal, natural gas, nuclear with some renewables added. http://www.sciencealert.com/all-electric-trains-in-the-netherlands-are-now-100-powered-by-wind-energy. Bolthouse Farms Sued After Smoothie With 100% Fruit Juice Tests Positive for PFAS, EPA Announces $27 Billion Fund to Help Low-Income and Disadvantaged Communities Transition to Renewable Energy, Derailed Train Cars in Ohio Were Not Labeled Hazardous, Wind Turbine Giant Proposes New York Factory That Would Create 420 Jobs and $500M in Local Investments. Other peoples Money doesnt matter to you.. wrong! it MATTERS to those like heavyweather all savvy investors who have installed PV on their rooftops, PV which funnels 29 cEuro/kWh (on average) for each useless and counter-productive kWh which they dump on the network sums charged on the electricity bill of all the OTHER germans, of course! Good for saving valuable hydrocarbons for something more useful than burning them, and they really can supply all my electricity 24/7 that way. Began operating in 1990. As his statements were presented in that meme, Homer-Dixon appeared to have asserted that windmills never produce as much energy as is expended in building them: The quotations selectively employed in the meme were taken from Homer-Dixon's 2009 book Carbon Shift: How Peak Oil and the Climate Crisis Will Change Canada (and Our Lives). Transmission costs of 1.4 eurocent/kWh is to be added as TenneT is required to take power from sea to shore. This was 2015 data, so the wind fraction seems to have gone up from 7% to 10% but coal is really powering those trains at least 3x more than wind hey, coal powered trains, where have I heard that before? The Same Reason You Would Study Anything Else, The (Mostly) Quantum Physics Of Making Colors, This Simple Thought Experiment Shows Why We Need Quantum Gravity, How The Planck Satellite Forever Changed Our View Of The Universe. The two Dutch wind farms that have contracted to sell power to NS (Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen) are both connected directly to the Dutch grid, along with all the other power plants in the country, and NS draws its power from the grid: Figure 3: The Netherlands electricity grid. Thats true, of course. Electric trains also use regenerative braking, similar to whats found in hybrid and electric cars. [5] In 2020 wind power provided 11.54% of the Dutch electricity generation (see table above) while solar power provided an additional 7.25% for a combined 18.79% - easily meeting the target without taking other renewable sources into account, even though the target for onshore wind capacity was not met. [20], The Rachel Carson wind farm (also known as the Eemmeerdijk Wind Park.) Do Dutch trains run on Wind? Its worth noting that it would be pointless to put wind turbines in poor locations, and its trivial, or meaningless, to say that a turbine would never pay back its embedded energy in a poor location. As a retired telecomms engineer Im glad not to be repeatedly telling folks from the US that T1 is not a global standard any more! Several commercial parties have now caught onto the PR value of claiming they are not getting government subsidies for their investment in renewable energy. As of Jan. 1, 600,000 daily train passengers have been traveling completely carbon neutral, according to an announcement from the Netherlands principal passenger railway operator, NS. Since 2017 , 100% of Dutch electric trains have been powered by wind energy. In other words, the two oldest sources of renewable power, water and wood, are carrying most of the burden for Burlingtons renewable achievement, not the sources that might come to mind when people read the headline. Fossil fuel-fired power plants produced over 80% of the electricity in the Netherlands, mainly natural gas (42%) and coal (35%). Even the two Dutch wind farms with which NS contracts directly for wind power, Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen, are tied generally to the Dutch grid and not tied directly into the NS rail system. Belgium and Finland. http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/interconnectors.png. The Dutch government is looking to ramp up the nation's share of renewable energy from 4 percent in 2014 to 16 percent in 2023. (Figure 2: Note the dotted lines showing non-electrified track. Putting these numbers together indicates that only 10-15% of the electricity consumed annually by NSs electric trains will come from wind, with the rest a mixture that includes mostly Dutch gas and coal plus a small amount of Belgian and German coal, nuclear and lignite and maybe even a little German solar, Andrews explains. Produced at least 19 models at 250, 750, 1500, 2000, 2300, 2500, 2600, 3000, 3600, 3800, 4000 and 4500kW. "Carbon Shift: How Peak Oil and the Climate Crisis Will Change Canada (and Our Lives) Paperback." 600,000 passengers daily are "the first in the world" to travel thanks to wind energy. To aver otherwise displays ignorance or deception. Since 2015 there has been a trend towards the deployment and planning for large wind farms, both onshore and offshore, with a view to the approximate tripling wind power capacity from 2015 levels by 2023. In 2020 wind power provided 11.54% of the Dutch electricity generation (see table above) while solar power provided an additional 7.25% for a combined 18.79% - easily meeting the target without taking other renewable sources into account, even though the target for onshore wind capacity was not met. Its own wind farms, built in the Netherlands, Belgium, Finland, and Sweden, aim to generate enough energy to fulfill NS's demand of about 1.4 terawatt-hours for 2017 (enough to power a million . Wind turbines feed electricity into the grid and the electric company credits them for the electricity. Nevermind the entirety of it. Imports from the German grid, however, will contain about 14% wind power, although not wind power that NS has contracted for. Especially since there are no green electrons. Founded in 2004, Produced at least 12 models at 250, 500, 750, 900 and 2000kW. This quote appeared in a book edited by Homer-Dixon, but it was actually written by David Hughes. You buy green energy elsewhere to offset your fossil fuels. If its a less busy line, some of the electricity is stored in batteries on the train. It is 100% powered by electric. Snopes and the Snopes.com logo are registered service marks of Snopes.com. Wind farmsboth onshore and offshoreare regarded as a key component in renewable energy policy and an important tool in mitigating the risks of climate change. At a good wind site, the energy payback day could be in three years or less; in a poor location, energy payback may be never. These systems are found on underground trains in Los Angeles, Auckland and Buenos Aires, among others. Half of that total is expected to come from foreign sources in Scandinavia and elsewhere, with the rest generated in the Netherlands. I did not say wind energy is Idiot Power.". Produced at least 8 models with power outputs of 100, 250, 500, 1000kW. How it then gets used depends on the city were in. (CONTINUED), London Underground trains use two conductor rails to manage their electricity needs (Image courtesy [+] of BEN STANSALL/AFP/Getty Images), In all cases, this regenerated electricity can be returned to the power line via the conductor rail. You make one good point here which is that France has cheap electricity but expensive heating. When wind power is fed into a grid it becomes inextricably mixed with all the vibrating electrons from other generation sources to the point where there is no way of knowing where any power taken from the grid came from. Only a small fraction of the power delivered to its trains actually comes from wind.. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Initially, trains in the Netherlands were set to run entirely on renewable energy by 2018. This page was last edited on 14 January 2023, at 23:49. The next largest onshore wind farm is the Westereems wind farm located in Eemshaven in Groningen, in the north of the Netherlands. By Adele Peters 1 minute Read A single. NS has signed a contract with Eneco to guarantee the supply of this electricity. The comment about T1s was meant to be a wry tomayto vs tomarto thing which probably didnt work as an explanation of why I get pedantic. People making this claim are simply propagandists. 15ct/kWh, 100%hydro, no nuclear or gray labeled power bought for pumping. All renewable energy gets paid the FIT out of the so-called SDE budget. As Hughes observed, his point was that "the concept of net energy is crucial if we want to find a policy that will see us through the Energy Sustainability Dilemma," not that windmills should be eschewed for using up more energy than they ever create. As Brightvibes noted, a decreasing and relatively small number of Dutch trains are still running on diesel. Only about 2% of Finlands generation mix is wind, and by the time it passes through the Finnish, Swedish and German grids on its way to the Netherlands it will effectively have disappeared. In total, NS consumes around 1.2 TWh of electricity to power its trains. Hinkley C will have a footprint of 165 acres when operational and an equivalent footprint for onshore windturbines would be from 160,000 to 490,000 acres (dependent on power of turbines available) to produce the same power output over a year. In addition, the use of conductor rails sets a speed limit on trains of about 160kph (100mph) above this, the metal contact blocks (called pickup shoes) can lose contact with the rail and result in a drop in power. When challenged on its claim, NS clarified that only the electrified portion of its system runs completely on wind power. Its worth remembering that data on wind and solar is available here: http://mylly.hopto.me/windineurope/wind_solar_20_countries_raw.zip. Switch them back on by degrees. Really funny, as it cuts it both ways when you dont know reality and cant speak French you have to believe what you find on the English writing interwebs or the greenpiss propaganda leaflets. More than 12% of the Netherland's electricity is generated from renewable sources, mainly biomass and waste (5% of the total) and wind (7% of the total). In Norway 132,2 million guarantees of origin for hydro power were issued in 2014, corresponding to 132,2 Twh. power for over 400,000 households every day, a figure roughly equivalent to the number of households in the Northern Netherlands.[13]. It feels to many like progress. The Dutch and other people draw energy from the European grid, which has been generated by many sources. 1995 - 2023 by Snopes Media Group Inc. Stations are heated using heat exchangers, green gas or green electricity. NS claims 100% wind power because it has a contract with various wind farms to produce enough energy to power its rail system, but this is just an accounting transaction. In fact, an investigation by Energy Matters finds that the electrified portion of NS mainly runs on electricity derived from coal and natural gas. Active 2016. It sharply cut subsidies down to 1.5 billion, leaving private sector to carry over wind turbine investments should these be beneficial.[6]. . Roger, Works for me, and they were cheaper than EON too. The claim by the Dutch railway network, Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS), is almost entirely a sleight of hand. But in reality, the commercial parties are making a double killing: getting free money throughout the FIT contract (paid for 100% by households) *and* profiting from the PR value of presenting themselves as selflessly investing their own money in wind and solar energy for the planet. According to Eneco, the power used by the carriers comes from newly built wind farms in the Netherlands, Scandinavia and Belgium. Not relevant here. RE fans should understand that present mainstream RE technologies ( mostly PV and wind) require considerable real estate and in our small island one cannot travel very far without having a wind farm in view. [1], By December 2013, 1,975 wind turbines were operational on land in the Netherlands, with an aggregate capacity of 2,479 MW. (my emphasis). Wind contributes 4,117MW, representing 13% of the capacity mix. That is why half of the demand will be sourced from a number of new wind farms in Belgium and Scandinavia, which have been specifically assigned for this contract., http://www.railway-technology.com/features/featuremichel-kerkhof-of-eneco-discusses-the-dutch-rail-networks-renewable-revolution-4647194/. Half of this electricity comes from the Netherlands, and the other half is imported from Sweden, Finland, and Belgium. Putting these numbers together indicates that only 10-15% of the electricity consumed annually by NSs electric trains will come from wind, with the rest a mixture that includes mostly Dutch gas and coal plus a small amount of Belgian and German coal, nuclear and lignite and maybe even a little German solar. http://ast.lv/eng/power_system/current_situation_in_power_system/state_of_power_system/ [18], In the first week of December 2016, all 150 turbines of the new 600 MW Gemini offshore windfarm began producing power, and the project is expected to be fully commissioned by mid 2017. Because Eneco, which contracts to supply NS with wind power, gets a Guarantee of Origin from the exporter under which the exporter confirms that the power came from wind and assigns the rights to it to NS. Random House Canada. Nor should you you probably get shaved 20% faster than me! Impressively, this means their initial goal was met one whole year ahead of schedule. Hughes didn't make that statement of all windmills, and he allowed that some could recoup their construction costs in three years or less. These were often manufactured by lesser known wind turbine manufacturers, sometimes producing innovative products such as the Nedwind 2 blade turbine. https://askjaenergy.com/2015/03/23/does-apple-not-want-truly-green-data-centers/. The Netherlands currently has a total of 2,200 wind turbines across the country, according to DutchNews.nl. New wind farm deployment is based on the SER agreement that describes a plan for five years of tendering 700 MW per year. I am told Biogas is not actually allowed in our pipeline system. Well, it actually claims that only the electrified portion runs on 100% wind. They hope to reduce the energy used per passenger by a further 35% by 2020 compared with 2005. But its a funny read. What happens where there is insufficient wind for the required duration to powerup the batteries? This year the country is due to start operating a 600-megawatt offshore wind farm, called Gemini. Indirect Contributions Are Essential To Physics, The Crisis In Theoretical Particle Physics Is Not A Moral Imperative, Why Study Science? The truth is that its impossible to determine the source of electrons actually moving NS trains down the track. The electrons vibrate at 60 cycles per second, 60 Hz, and travel at less than 0.1 inch/second. That would meet approximately 75% of the countries electricity needs. There are ~40 utilities with sharp price competition in NL. ALL traction power for the Dutch railway network will come from wind turbines under a new energy contract signed on May 15 between power company Eneco and Vivens, an energy procurement joint venture which includes Netherlands Railways (NS), Veolia, Arriva, Connexxion and railfreight operators. The company is also looking for a dramatic reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. An Eneco and NS joint website. And how does NS justify this lesser claim? The evidence speaks for itself. It's a bit of smoke and mirrors but it helps to subside more expensive forms of generation. Homer-Dixon did not write this viral quote, but he did comment on it in a May 2018 blog post entitled: "No . A book co-edited by Thomas Homer-Dixon contained a passage stating that windmills "might never generate as much energy as was invested in building [them]." 2009. During these periods wind generation in the neighboring Netherlands would also have fallen to low levels. The company aims to further reduce consumption by 2 percent a year with an energy efficiency program, with total consumption already reduced by 30 percent since 2005. I find that the electrified portion of the Dutch railway network (Nederlandse Spoorwegen, or NS) runs on grid electricity that comes dominantly from fossil fuel generation (natural gas and coal). In total there were 3,004 MW of onshore wind power at the end of 2015. An earlier version said all Dutch trains were now 100% powered by wind-generated electricity, according to the national railway company NS. By using the brake to change the connections on a trains motors, they stop turning the wheels, slowing the train, and instead produce electricity that can be used elsewhere. Snopes did not find evidence that Germany was experiencing a "total collapse" in wind and solar energy. So I know that its true, just as if I had read it in the Guardian. Sign up for our email newsletter! And meanwhile the Netherlands electrified railways continue to be powered dominantly by fossil fuel electricity. In 2016, Dutch wind hit the headlines again, when a 700 MW offshore windfarm near the town of Borssele became the most cost-effective in the world. The 129 MW Eneco Luchterduinen wind farm is located 23km off the coast between Zandvoort and Noordwijk cities in the Netherlands. Up until the Westereems Wind Park was commissioned the largest onshore wind farm was the Princess Alexia Windpark in Zeewolde (122MW),[36] consisting of 36 REpower turbines and a 3.2MW/33MWh battery storage power station of BMW i3 batteries. Because theyre just one part of a wider grid, most train operators use electricity from a mix of different sources coal-fired generators, nuclear plants, hydropower or, in the case of Nederlandse Spoorwegen, exclusively from wind turbines. Electricity is electricity, electron charge transfer. Such as happened earlier this year in the UK when we had several days of around only 300MW of total metered wind power. NO. So the standard is that 100% renewable utilities buy or produce same amount of 100% renewable electricity they sell. The story of Apple data centre in Denmark: Sign up for our email newsletter! Gimme a break. EDF was 13.44p but I keep reading comments about how RE fans should take electricity only from PV and wind turbines, so I decided I should do the same. I would take it, then, that you are not among the poor and elderly who DO give a fig about money? Burlingtons biggest source of electricity is hydropower imported from across the region. Once stored, this electricity can be sold to the main power grid, helping the city to top up peak demand, and earning the train company money in the process. (End of excerpt). Built 1992 this nearshore wind farm had just 4 Nedwind 500 KW turbines based 1km to shore. So that is coal fired power not going into the Netherlands grid. [61] A further 228 MW of installed capacity will be added when completed. However, it seems officials have been able to beat that goal by an entire year. Produced at least 3 models of outputs 100, 200, 250kW. . In total, NS consumes around 1.2 TWh of electricity to power its trains. [5] This will contribute towards the Dutch target of 14% renewable energy use out of total energy use by 2020[10] and 16% by 2023. That is, a windmill could spin until it falls apart and never generate as much energy as was invested in building it. [17] Where the parks will come and how they will be built is still being discussed. The commercials know that the public will probably think that the commercial parties are spending out of the goodness of their hearts, to save the planet. The company said all electric trains were now powered by wind energy. The Netherlands national railway company, NS, has announced all of its electric passenger trains (not the freight trains) are now 100% powered by wind energy. Hughes did write that some windmills might not recoup their energy-construction costs, but he didn't assert, as the meme implied, that no windmills will ever generate as much energy as was invested in building them. However the electricity is delivered to the train, once its there, it is used to power lights, and air-conditioning, as well as the traction motors, which are what turn the trains wheels. Dutch electricity company Eneco won a tender offered by NS two years ago and the two companies signed a 10-year deal setting January 2018 as the date by which all NS trains should run on wind energy. Data from Frontier Economics. NS claims 100% wind power because it has a contract with various wind farms to produce enough energy to power its rail system, but this is just an accounting transaction, writes author Roger Andrews. But of course even two-thirds of the NS system doesnt run completely on wind power. , I am told Biogas is not actually allowed in our pipeline system.. This is a BETA experience. "Since 1 January, 100% of our trains are running on wind energy," said NS spokesman, Ton . Bach supplies data for Belgium, which should be a close analogy, and Figure 4 shows Belgian wind generation for September 2014: Figure 4: Belgian wind generation, September 2014, With an installed capacity of around 1850MW in this month the overall wind capacity factor was 11% and there were a number of occasions on which wind generation fell effectively to zero for hours on end. The Dutch government is looking to ramp up the nations share of renewable energy from 4 percent in 2014 to 16 percent in 2023. As Enecos account manager Michel Kerkhof pointed out, the key objective is to avoid procuring energy from the limited existing number of sustainable energy projects in the Netherlands, thus promoting renewable growth both domestically and Europe-wide., This partnership ensures that new investments can be made in even newer wind farms, which will increase the share of renewable energy, Kerkhof continued. (Although Eneco, NSs wind power procurer, claims that its wind farm portfolio guarantees sufficient capacity to cover such eventualities . That's something. Google will allegedly power all its operations with renewable energy this year by doing exactly the same thing. quite an amount of work youve done there, It doesnt add up ! While it was originally used to pump water or grind grain, wind is now helping Dutch commuters get to work. It goes back to the start of 2016, and includes the Netherlands as well as Belgium and the Nordic countries (and Germany) that NS claim to be supplied by. Do the Netherlands trains really run on http://elering.ee/cross-border-physical-flows/, http://ast.lv/eng/power_system/current_situation_in_power_system/state_of_power_system/, http://www.litgrid.eu/index.php/sistemos-duomenys/79, Antidotes were hard to find this week as one cheering message after another was debunked only Positive News was buoyant | C 3000: antidote to gloom, International Energy Agency Electricity Production Statistics for OECD Countries 2014 2016 | Blogging about energy and transitioning to clean energy, Drone Strike on Saudi Arabia Knocks out 5% of Global Oil Supplies, Grazing, desertification and climate change. NS consumes 1.2 terawatt hours (TWh) of electricity each year, which is the equivalent of 1% of the Netherlands' electricity consumption, or the total electricity consumption of all the households in Amsterdam. I cant help feeling that inexperienced power traders at NS will have been taken to the cleaners at the expense of passengers. This year, Dutch commuters ditched fossil fuels to power their country's trains on 100% wind energy - and it's a grand idea that's catching on the world over. These wind turbines generate enough power to sustain the equivalent of 2.4 million homes. The Trains that run on Wind - BBC News 18,865 views Oct 17, 2017 This year, Dutch commuters ditched fossil fuels to power their country's trains on 100% wind energy - and it's a grand. Many of the numerous smaller and older wind farms in the Netherlands consist of much smaller turbines compared to those typically deployed today. Thus, all of NE has the same energy mix, i.e., there is not one mix for VT, another for NH, or one mix for the Netherlands, another for Germany. A two-megawatt windmill contains 260 tonnes of steel requiring 170 tonnes of coking coal and 300 tonnes of iron ore, all mined, transported and produced by hydrocarbons. The power delivered to its trains actually comes from wind due to operating... 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