By declining the noun Thamud or not, it means the region or the tribe. Replying by always staying what is the problem or what is the issue seems to have a rebuking or shaming tone that appears very harsh to the questioner. The Quran does not make any claim about the historicity of specific sites, but rather enjoins the believers to reflect upon the many ruins of idolatrous societies throughout Arabia as a lesson in the futility of disobedience to Allah. Abul Ala Maududi. Moreover, they cultivated fertile land and gained lots of benefit from it. What do u think? [5] In 1846, many Arab Rashaida migrated from Hejaz in present-day Saudi Arabia into what is now Eritrea and north-east Sudan after tribal warfare had broken out in their homeland. What are the Sunnahs and etiquettes that we should >>> , - ?____ Fatwa . After the Arab conquest of Persia in the 7th century, many Arab tribes settled in different parts of Iran, notably Khurasan and Ahwaz, it is the Arab tribes of Khuzestan that have retained their identity in language and culture to the present day while other Arabs especially in Khurasan were slowly Persianised. Seeking blessings from relics of the righteous? The Aad before them were pretty decent architects and built some fairly magnificent castles. According to the Islamic tradition, the Thamd were warned by the prophet li to worship Allh, but the Thamd stubbornly refused and as a result were annihilated either by a thunderbolt or by an earthquake. For one, Allah certainly mentions that the Thamud were successors to the Aad. According to the Quran, they were hit by a blast that destroyed them. 9. There is no possibility that these were houses. 3 The pride of your heart has deceived you, On the first day, their skin would turn yellow; on the second day, red; and on the final day of destruction, black. If not, then why do we need to find the remains of Thamud? Ruins of Aad and Thamood existed at time of Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam Assalaamu alaykum I was wondering does verse 2938 of the Quran mean that the houses of Aad and Thamud are still standing and that we can see them If Aad were destroyed there is nothing left of Aad apart from their land so their houses have fallen down and if they were not standing in Prophet Muhammads sallallaahu . They may believe in Allah and may even worship Him in some ways. The people of Noah, when they denied the Messengers, We drowned them and made them a sign for people We have prepared for wrongdoers a painful punishment and Ad, Thamud, the companions of the well, and many generations between them. Look, it doesnt matter if you warn us or dont warn us, were not going to listen to you. For the town in Yemen, see, sfn error: no target: CITEREFEph'al1984 (, "Al-Hijr Archaeological Site (Madin Slih)", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thamud&oldid=1132970365, This page was last edited on 11 January 2023, at 16:00. As for option 2, we know next to nothing about the Thamud. And God knows best. Arab genealogical tradition. This poses problematic. They were a little more inquisitive (at least at first). And this advancement led to a stratified society of haves and have nots. We dont have remains of Ad, do we? While certain online Christian communities are abuzz with elation and glee, some Muslims are faced with difficulties in formulating a proper response to the latest Christian accusation. They are aws and athiri in origin with element of arphaxad Now imagine if people arrive from Latin America, find Mount Rushmore, and make a few inscriptions on it. Aad and Thamud are two of several communities described in the Quran as recipients of Gods chosen prophets and being utterly destroyed for rejecting them. In my opinion this is an argument that Muslims have to tackle thoroughly due to its ease of presentation by non-Muslims and (hypothetical) explanatory power. The caliphate also allowed the migration of Arab tribes to Egypt. In fact, we even know the scripts they used! During the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the Quraish would debate with him and ask him all sorts of questions. [24] These tribes advanced in large numbers all the way to Morocco, contributing to a more extensive ethnic, genetic, cultural, and linguistic Arabization in the region. their country was called Arabia Petraea, the rocky; and their metropolis Petra, the rock: Jerom says that they that inhabited the southern part of the country and dwelt in caves cut out of the rock, to screen them from the heat of the sun: or, thou that dwellest in the circumferences of the rock F16; round about it, on the top of it, in a tower built there, as Kimchi and Ben Melech. His people came after Ad, and they were known as Thamud. Compounding the confusion is the fact that the tribal name Thamud is applied today to a broad section of different peoples throughout history, not only to those mentioned in the Quran. Now we dont see the remains of Nuhs AS people now do we? The calamity must have been fairly extensive in area and intense in the terror it inspired for it is described as a single mighty blast, the sort of terror inspiring noise which accompanies all big earthquakes.. Assalamualaikum what do u think of the carbon dating and the presence of wells? Therefore, the Adnanites are descendants of Abraham. (3). who occupy the heights of the hill. [5], A surviving letter from Nabonidus, a sixth-century BC king of Babylon, includes an order that a "Te-mu-da-a Ar-ba-a-a", apparently "Thamudi Arab", be given several talents of silver. The second lesson is to watch out for the signs in our lives. Surviving quotations from Agatharchides's On the Erythrean Sea, from the second century BCE, reports that the Thamud Arabs then inhabited a "stony and large shore" of the Arabian coastline, south of the Gulf of Aqaba. And their responses reflected their advancement in knowledge. Under the Umayyad Caliphate, Arabic became the official language in Egypt rather than Coptic or Greek. In the historical and archaeological record, both were contemporaries, but by the time of the Prophet in the 7th century AD, they had become little more than a distant memory, and their ruins, places of myth and legend. I have yet to find a shred of evidence of a dead body that was placed in any of the recesses in the walls. [Sahih Muslim, Book 55, Hadith 49]. . Having failed to save his people, Salih warned that they would be destroyed after three days. Therefore, the Aad were a society that sprung up from the survivors of the flood, perhaps some of the same people who rode in the Ark with Prophet Noah (AS). A Reminder of the Story of `Ad and Thamd By Ibn Kathir - Fri 14 Muharram 1425 (5 Mar 2004) 0 5604 Explanation: means, they were arrogant, stubborn and disobedient. The exact details of their faith are not mentioned much in the Quran, but it was definitely something that was practiced by most of the society. The Christians are claiming that the Qurans statement about Thamud carving structures in the hills and mountains is demonstrably false as the structures are built not by the Thamud but by the Nabateans, who came much later. Some people think petra was thamud do you think so jazzakkallah, But the main question for me is the first one number 1 the rest are just side questions but number 1 is the main one for me what I would like a detailed response the rest are more of yes or no qustions jazzakkallah sorry to keep bothering you, But I do agree with your article its just getting more information thats all jazzakkallah so I know how to answer this question jazzakkallah, This is part of qustion 4 do you think 27:52 is talking about there dwellings in the mountions or on the plains or both and does 27:52 mean there dwellings collapsed fallen because if yes 89:9 makes it sound like it is standing that there are more of the buildings showing then just partially but more showing of the buildings so how do we explain this jazzakkallah, Sorry for them being spaced out just put them together but 8. also if there buildings were very big there had to be more left of the buildings remains in the time of the prophet then just partially shouldnt there or not because if they were big there should of been more left or not do you think jazzakkallah how would we explain this jazzakkallah but like I said question 1 is the main one, 9. This structure is not only large enough to house several individuals, but contains benches which suggests that it served some social function, hence it can qualify to be called a place of dwelling. The Quran tells us that the people of Ad started to build altars on the high places, and even strongholds in the mountains. Do you construct on every elevation a sign amusing yourselves? You can find the first onehere), Thamud were before time of the Israelites they were same time as the Assyrians who they mixed with. p.190. The word atharan or assar as loosely written in Urdu literally means effects or reactions or remnants left behind as an escape of a crime scene where clues or signs point to. And of course, they were also polytheists. Also if it is in the present it makes it sound there buildings were like brand new like not destroyed etc, This is it then Im done but thank you very much for answering my questions jazzakkallah, 3. If the Nabateans carved out the structures on the hills and mountains of Petra and Median Saleh, as the Christians allege, then both the Quran and the Bible are in error, which I dont agree with. He sent Prophet Hud (AS) to the Aad, and Prophet Salih (AS) to the Thamud. Or just left relics in land 6. 6. 89:9 is in past tense. Hud ( ) was sent to Ad and after their destruction, Thamud inherited the land. The Nabatean inscriptions are the ancient equivalent of graffiti, which humans even today have a predilection for. The sentence, This structure is not only large enough and a couple more contained links. Ignore the entire thing and continue to spread their deception and lies. Indeed, the Quran states that many generations came after the first tribe of Thamud without specifying an exact timeline. 62-63]. ___ : __ >> :____ Fatwa __ . Just leave her alone. We should look at the original Arabic for word though to fully understand. 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