And then what happened was the list that was in my head of poems I wasnt going to write became this poem. Were back at the natural world of metaphors and belonging. not forgetting and star bodies and frozen birds, enough of the will to go on and not go on or how, a certain light does a certain thing, enough, of the kneeling and the rising and the looking. And then you can also be like, Im a little anxious about this thing thats happening next week. Or all of these things, it makes room for all of those things. This is a moving and edifying conversation that is also, not surprisingly, a lot of fun. And its always an interesting question because I feel like my process changes and I change. some new constellations. We are located on Dakota land. to the field, something to get through before if we declared a clean night, if we stopped being terrified, if we launched our demands into the sky, made ourselves so big. But you said I dont know, I just happened to be I saw you again today. Sometimes youre, and so much of its. We are in the final weeks as On Being evolves to its next chapter in a world that is evolving, each of us changed in myriad ways weve only begun to process and fathom. That arresting notion, and the distinction Rachel Naomi Remen draws between curing and healing, makes this an urgent offering to our world of healing we are all called to receive and to give. [laughs] I get four parents that come to the school nights. And I felt like I was not brave enough to own that for myself. And so I have Im really glad youre enjoying it because theres many more decades. love it again, until the song in your mouth feels Like, Oh, take a deep breath. Then we get annoyed when it works, too. The next-generation marine biologist Ayana Elizabeth Johnson would let that reality of belonging show us the way forward. Limn: I think its definitely a writing prompt too, right? Then in 2018, she published a brilliant essay called Complicating the Narratives, which she opened by confessing a professional existential crisis. should write, huge and round and awful. even the tenacious high school band off key. Peabody Award-winning host Krista Tippett presents a live, in-person recording of the wildly popular On Being podcast, featuring guest speaker Isabel Wilkerson. now even when it is ordinary. And it was just me, the dog, and the cat, and the trees. Why dont you read The Quiet Machine? And that between space was the only space that really made sense to me. In the modern western world, vocation was equated with work. I think its very dangerous not to have hope. . We havent read much from The Carrying, which is a wonderful book. I cannot reverse it, the record Wisdom Practices and Digital Retreats (Coming in 2023). And it sounds like thunder? What Amanda has been gathering by way of answers to that question is an extraordinary gift to us all. And its a very interesting thing to be a kid that goes back and forth, and Im sure many people have this experience or have had that experience, where youre moving from one home to another. And I found it really useful, a really useful tool to go back in and start to think about what was just no longer true, or maybe had never been true. The thesis is still the wind. The thesis is still a river. The thesis has never been exile., Yeah. Because there are a lot of unhelpful things that have been told to me. And then what happened was the list that was in my head of poems I wasnt going to write became this poem. are your bones, and your bones are my bones, Yeah, because its made with words, but its also sensory and its bodily. Tippett: Im really glad youre enjoying it because theres many more decades. It comes back to these questions of like, Why do I get to be lucky in this way? And it is definitely wine country and all of the things that go along with that. I write. A season of big, new, beautiful On Being conversations is here. No, question marks. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. Helping to build a more just, equitable and connected America one creative act at a time. Our conversations create openings. And what of the stanzas, we never sing, the third that mentions no refuge, could save the hireling and the slave? Centuries of pleasure before us and after These are heavier, page 86 and page 87. Limn: Yeah. Tippett: I mean, even that question you asked, What am I supposed to do with all that silence? Thats one way to talk about the challenge of being human and walking through a life. days a little hazy with fever and waiting Limn: Because I love this poem, and no one has ever asked me to read this poem. Just uncertainty is so hard on our bodies. Tippett: Yeah, because its made with words, but its also sensory and its bodily. All right. Tippett: No, theres so much to enjoy. And now Ill just say it again: they are the publisher of the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. In fact, Krista interviewed the wise and wonderful Ocean Vuong right on the cusp of that turning, in March 2020, in a joyful and crowded room full of podcasters in Brooklyn. Limn: Yes. kitchen tables, two sets of rules, two tags: curiosity , listening , oral-history , vulnerability. The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. you can keep it until its needed, until you can Tippett: Something that you reflect on a lot that I would love to just draw you out on a bit is I think people who love language the most, and work with language, also are most intensely aware of the limits of language, and thats partly why youre working so hard. Tippett: I have your books, and theres some, too. The British psychologist Kimberley Wilson works in the emergent field of whole body mental health, one of the most astonishing frontiers we are on as a species. Ive got a bone. Poems all come to me differently. And even as it relieves us of the need to sum everything up. Shes written six books of poetry, most recently, won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her volume, . the pummeling of youth. Tippett: Look at all these people. We think were divided by issues, arguing about conflicting facts. And I want you to read it. And this poem was basically a list of all the poems I didnt think I could write, because it was the early days of the pandemic, and I kept thinking, just that poetry had kind of given up on me, I guess. But I think you are a prodigy for growing older and wiser. The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. , there are these two poems on facing pages, that both have fire in the title. of the kneeling and the rising and the looking Page 20. So that even when youre talking about the natural world: we are of it not in it. The listener wants to understand the humanity behind the words of the other, and patiently summons one's own best self and one's own best words and questions.". And when people describe you as a poet, theyll talk about things about intimacy and emotional sincerity and your observations of the natural world. Because how do we care for one another? We keep forgetting about Antlia, Centaurus, But mostly were forgetting were dead stars too, my mouth is full, of dust and I wish to reclaim the rising, to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward. big enough not to let go: brought to its knees, clung to by someone who What was it? Free shipping for many products! a need to nestle deep into the safekeeping of sky. . teeth right before they break water, enough sorrow, enough of the air and its ease, Journalist, National Humanities Medalist, and bestselling author Krista Tippett has created a singular space for reflection and conversation in American and global public life. Shes teaching me a lesson. I think I trusted its unknowing and its mystery in a way that I distrusted maybe other forms of writing up until then. I do feel like you were one of the people who was really writing with care and precision and curiosity about what we were going through. SHARE 'It's a hard time in the life of the world' a conversation with Krista Tippett. I am too used to nostalgia now, a sweet escape. What happens after we die? And she says, Well, you die, and you get to be part of the Earth, and you get to be part of what happens next. And it was just a very sort of matter-of-fact way of looking at the world. What. Once it has been witnessed, and buried, I go about my day, which isnt, ordinary, exactly, because nothing is ordinary, now even when it is ordinary. And it feels important to me whenever Im in a room right now and I havent been in that many rooms with this many people sitting close together that we all just acknowledge that even if we all this exact same configuration of human beings had sat in this exact room in February 2020, and were back now, were changed at a cellular level. On her show she promoted her new book, Einstein's God, and if the show is any indication, this new enterprise promises to be a fun fest for people inclined . strong and between sleep, Limn: And I love it, but I think that you go to it, as a poet, in an awareness of not only its limitations and its failures, but also very curious about where you can push it in order to make it into a new thing. And you could so a lot of what he knew in Spanish and remembered in Spanish were songs. We want to orient towards that possibility. But let me say, I was taken, back and forth on Sundays and it was not easy, but I was loved each place. He works with wood, and he works with other people who work with their hands making beautiful, useful things. And the Q has the tail of a monkey, and weve forgotten this. Listen Download Transcript. [2] Her guests include the 14th Dalai Lama, Maya Angelou, Mohammed Fairouz, Desmond Tutu, Thich Nhat Hanh, Rosanne Cash, Wangari Maathai, Yo-Yo Ma, Paulo Coehlo . Im Krista Tippett, and this is On Being. And if I had to condense you as a poet into a couple of words, I actually think youre about and these are words you use also wholeness and balance. I could. And were you writing The Hurting Kind during the pandemic and lockdown? fact-like take the trowel, plant the limp body So you get to have this experience with language that feels somewhat disjointed, and in that way almost feels like, Oh, this makes more sense as the language for our human experience than, lets say, a news report.. Nov 19, 2022, 8:00pm PST. 25 Sep. 2014. The people who gather around On Being are part of the generative narrative of our time. Yeah. people could point to us with the arrows they make in their minds. Before I bury him, I snap a photo and beg, my brother and my husband to witness this, nearly clear body. Krista Tippett is a Peabody-award winning broadcaster, National Humanities Medalist, and New York Times bestselling author. I feel like theres a level in which it offers us a place to be that feels closer to who we are, because there is always that interesting moment where someone asks you who you are, even just the simple question of, How are you? If we really took a minute to think about it, How am I? She loves the ocean. And yet at the same time, I do feel like theres this Its so much power in it. This is not a problem. Youre going to be like, huh. Or youll just be like, That makes total sense to me., At the top of the mountain Copyright 2023, And if youd like to know more, we suggest you start with our. , and she teaches in the MFA program at Queens University of Charlotte, in North Carolina. But its about more than that. and then, Poems all come to me differently. Tippett: Yeah. Page 40. cigarette smoke or expertise in recipes or, reading skills. Krista Tippett is the creator and host of the On Being and Becoming Wise podcasts as well as curator of The Civil Conversations Project. [Laughter] I feel like I could hear that response, right? Sometimes it sounds, sometimes its image, sometimes its a note from a friend with the word lover. The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. Tippett: So I feel like the last one Id like for you to read for us is A New National Anthem, which you read at your inauguration as Poet Laureate. red helmet, I rode But you said I dont know, I just happened to be I saw you again today. bliss before you know Only my head is for you. Sometimes it feels like language and poetry, I often start with sounds. And I think for all of us, kind of mark this, which is important. Tippett: I feel like it brings us back to wholeness somehow. And I think about that all the time. inward and the looking up, enough of the gun, the drama, and the acquaintances suicide, the long-lost, letter on the dresser, enough of the longing and, the ego and the obliteration of ego, enough, of the mother and the child and the father and the child, and enough of the pointing to the world, weary. chaotic track. Limn: Yeah. Exactly. Im learning so many different ways to be quiet. We point out the stars that make Orion as we take out And now we have watched it in these 25 years go from strength, to strength, to strength. Limn: Yeah. Her volume The Carrying won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her volume Bright Dead Things was a finalist for the National Book Award. that sounds like someones rough fingers weaving Draco, Lacerta, Hydra, Lyra, Lynx. But I think there was something deeper going on there, which was that idea of, Oh, this is when you pack up and you move. And I even had a pet mouse named Fred, which you would think I wouldve had a more creative name for the mouse, but his name was Fred. even the tenacious high school band off key. But I also feel a little bit out of practice with this live event thing. The notion of frontier inner frontiers, outer frontiers weaves through this hour. we never sing, the third that mentions no refuge I dont know why this, but this. 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