John, enjoyed your comments. They just inflict harm. Thats pretty cool. Although we certainly werent poor, Government Cheese is excellent, and my Dad would get us a block whenever he could. 1976 Harlan County U.S.A. (Documentary) Self - Mine Foreman (as Basil Collins) Edit Personal Details Alternate Names: Basil Collins Edit Did You Know? But today, thanks to my daughter and another pool company, there are more privately owned pools at homes, per average, than in Fayette County (Lexington). I dont live in Harlan now, but Im still a Harlan Countian. Grew up in Loyall. No one should have to make a livin working between 2 rocks. January 7, 2009 Harlan R. Collins, 89, of Fulton, died Wednesday at his home following a long illness. We lived the last house in the head of the holler with my poppy and granny our only neighbors. I graduated from Cumberland High School in 1975. Harlan is quiet, unless you grew up near the railroad tracks like I did. Thanks for the kind words. Join us . Harlanthats what we call itisnt a destination, either. Local obituaries for Harlan County, Kentucky 531 Results Friday, February 24, 2023 Add Photos 1 Memory Debbie Elaine Absher Debbie Elaine Absher, 72, of Bean Station, TN, passed away. She laughed. I believe you will see that I have great affection for Harlan, much more than many of the people who still live there. Im from Loyall. I remember your father well, especially his hair! My much loved step daddy moved us to his hometown after he was discharged from the Army. They had two fabulous sons who have college education with degrees in medical field and other fields. Pingback: Im Baaaackmaybe | Coal Troll's Blog, Loyall kid hereloved finding this. My husband and I are the black sheep as I am an attorney and my husband is an accountant. These are the folks who stayed in Harlan. The original Mount Aire Motel was on Pine Mountain, and it burned down in the 70s. . NEAR CLOSPLINT KY AND I AM PROUD TO BE FROM HARLAN CO THAT IS HOME ALTHOUGH I LIVE IN CORBIN KY NOW. There is a bleak side to Harlan, as anywhere else. My parents (James Depew & Thelma Randolph) grew up in Harlan in the late 20s-30s My Grandfather was Bill Randolph, one time police chief, Constable and apparently gun thug for the man. For instance, threats didnt faze me. A mouthy little man like me finds out the hard way that bad is good, but big is better. ITS GOOD TO HEAR FROM OTHER HARLAN CO PEOPLE. The first of the month is a big time in Harlan. My great grandpa ran a mill there. 1750 Hwy 213. The folks in Brookside were surely Harlan Countians as was the chief gun "thug," Basil Collins. How do we know they dont live in a ghetto. Good old Mikes drive in, where one of Harlan Countys finest young men threatened me with a belt when I stepped in to defend a younger friend. That is where my husband grew up. He's lived in Harlan County ever since. loved this. Charles Leonard Birmingham, AL. Black lung finally got the best of him but legally these days black lung doesnt exist. He evidently hasnt been to Harlan lately. They arent isolated enough. Iowa Gravestones is a genealogy project with over one million gravestone photos from across 99 Iowa Counties. She was a great homemaker and was full of wit, wisdom and love. Each letter she wrote me held the news. Im sure they knew each other. Hollywood Bledsoe from the mouth of Cloverlick in HC, once wrote a song about Government Cheese. She married a coal miner who also was educated and chose that life. I can relate to alot of it. Good stuff, John. Phyllis Lorene Gardenhire 82, of Salina passed away, Friday, February 17, 2023. But my roots are still strong an a country girl. No wonder I was overwhelmed. I have more memories of the younger Brittons that are closer to my age. I have lived here all my life and even tho at times i feel like due to work i may have to leave, i doubt i ever could. They often do not contain the death . BTW I live on Watts Creek and have most of my life..off and on. Yes. She always bought some, even though she was never sure if doing so was legal. I was born in Pike County but grew up in Flatwoods in Greenup County. Add to home screen. In fact, I got up this morning with the intent or renewing my research. Thanks again for the good read. Stalwarts, outlanders, pretenders, loathers you left one group out. Sometimes, the film would jam and you could watch it melt. He was the hardest worker I have ever known. Im surprised I didnt end up with some kind of lung disease. I made the mistake of posting a picture of Basil on a Harlan County Facebook page. Lynch had a skating rink when I was a teenager. God do I ever remember the Government Cheese and all the other free food provided by the gov. I was even sent back to Atlanta to attend Agnus Scott College, and didnt stay because I actually missed my family AND Harlan County. Youd be surprised how many of us moved here from other places (quite a few from other countries), were welcomed as friends, made our homes here and raised our families here. Miner Curtis Cress, 34, says towns. Today he wore jeans and a navy hooded sweatshirt, with his neatly trimmed silver-white hair tucked under a Tractor Supply Company cap. I was born and raised in Harlan County, from Jones Creek, graduated from Evarts High. I think we also went to RC Bottling Plant at Loyall. All my mothers family is from Harlan (Baxter, Big Laurel, Loyall) and my heart is there. . Stumbled across your post. Charlotte, Eaton County, MI, United States Immediate Family: Husband of Neta Belle Collins Father of Robert Basil Collins and Private Collins. I loved reading your blog and all, or at least most of the comments! We mine coal and have for over 100 years. [citation needed] She only worked sporadically after that, in guest roles on Fantasy Island (1984), Murder She Wrote (1985), Hardcastle and McCormick (1985), and Blacke's Magic (1986). I have three amazing great-grandbabies. We outlanders like our Harlan roots. Were originally from Letcher County and had to leave in 1995 due to the coal mines shutdown. You can see it in Google Street Views here: https://goo.gl/maps/QoyKa, Hey my cousin owned the fuzzy duck my papa had a poker house there and boot legged beer iwas raised in the first house coming down black mountain love it go back all the time, Right before you get to lynch golf course coming down black mtn there was a house to the right my great great grand pa had a saw mill there and built the house where my great grand pa lived then my mama got it love it there if I ever hit the lottery ill be back to live and put alot of people to work I love the mtns go there every christmas and summers thanks for the memories cool blog sorry for the grammer lol periods commas all the same to me it. Basil Collins Harlan County Obituary, He also served in the 4th Supply Company, in Stockton, California. My dad was certainly a bad ass, growing up in a time and place that required that to survive. 7. Thats probably why he is disabled now at a a young age. I worked with them both at Harlan Appalachian Regional Hospital in the late 60s, early 70s. Sweet. Thanks for the trip down memory lane. I graduated in 71 from JACHS. SOMEONE MENTIONED SMITH. My dad grew up in Evarts. A man that loved Phone: (828) 649-9163. LOL! I must say it is a great read. I love the fact she loves a mountain boy, just like her Momma did:) This is a great article!! My Dad taught English there for a long time (Mr. Creech). I do think this is good stuff. Tons of great memories and good friends. You hit the nail on the head ~ Love this! I am a Harlan Countian, born in Harlan at the old hospital as they call it. THIS is just funny. . I need to work Watts Creek in to a future post, for sure. I was born in Harlan County, Louellen specifically, but moved away when I was little due to my dad being in the Navy. I would sometimes go out and spend a month or two with my grandparents and spend some nights with other family members in Harlan and Bell counties. My friends still tell me you can take the girl out of Eastern Kentucky, but you cant take the Eastern Kentucky out of the girl. He had a lot of money. ENJOYED YOUR ARTICLE, WOULDNT TRADE THE PLACE I GREW UP FOR ANY PLACE IN THE WORLD . Were about the same age. Whitley County is troublesome. I love your wifes Loll great story! A few notes: The qualifications for Eastern Kentucky status include: I hail from Harlan County, the Eastern Kentuckiest of all counties. So much that even some locals have a hard time understanding me. Many who knew of the hair would be shocked to know he wears it pretty much buzzed these days. However, I always tell my two teenagers that some of the smartest people they will ever meet come from the mountains of Kentucky and may have never finished high school! After hours we would head to the American Legion behind the Post Office. Trivia: He was a survivor of the Bataan Death March. His name was Wiley Holmes. now but have family still in Harlan Co. As usual John you nailed it!! Bledsoe, so we limped, if you know what I mean Born in Leslie Co. and graduated James A Cawood in 81. First, there is a Holiday Express in Harlan, and a few other places to stay if you want to visit our town and county. It even had an old balcony whererumor had itblack folks used to be seated. 10 Grandchildren and . I am so grateful to the educators in Harlan who worked so diligently to open our minds, expand our thinking and develop our talents especially in music. We went to the movies most weekends and to every football and basketball game. To the men that worked at the Highsplint mine, where the majority of filming took place for the documentary, he was the one responsible for making sure Basil and his men got through to work every day. Heres my personal map of the area: This seemingly random boundary results in some folks calling it Southeastern Kentucky which, geographically speaking, is more accurate. I remember when you had to take a gravel road from Pineville to Loyall when they were building the new 119. jack brock ha d 21 dogs and 21 kids, he got kill by a drunk man he was taking home that was about like the earth quake in los ang years ago it was bad , for those who know my grandpa honey bill saylor and my dad and my friend big al ,arnold lee saylor he was a damn good man i miss alot cause he is in all my boys alot i see him every day yours trunly ronnie gene saylor of molus ky aka molus hollow. Get directions . I once met a police officer who worked in the State Police in Harlan, he visibly tensed when I said I was from Harlan, went ashen when I said I was from Smith, and excused himself when I said I was a Middleton. Havent lived there since the late 70s, but Harlan is always home. We knew who it was, because he told my mom about the encounter, but he was quietly scary, like a lot of the men from his era. I am an outlander from Bell County and so enjoyed reading this! Of course you have to wash it all down with whole milk from Chappells Dairy! They deal with a drug problem that I cant imagine. Robert Basil (Bob) Sydney, NS. I have to say, I know of nobody named Lonzo. We lived in Yancey when I was born, moved to Brookside, then moved to Evarts (Woods Mine Area) before moving to Walker County, AL. To her credit this pretty city girl took these inconveniences in her stride and made this mountain man a very good wife. My Mother married her high school sweethart Robert Kitts right before he left for the army as WWII started. U may or may not remember it and I also did alot of the fencing around the many many acres he and ur moms own. born & raised Pathfork Ky~, Thanks. It will always be home., Thanks. And Misty, April and I grew up together. Loyallhad a school, a railroad yard, one stop light, a movie theater (at one time), the Corner Store (a genuinesoda shop), a gas station, a barber and a couple of stores. If its easy, theres nothing better. Just kiddingabout the hate part. Also as a child there was a Ski Lodge and slopes on Black Mountain. Basil Collins Harlan County Obituary, Exchange office contact details: Contact Point: Mrs . My grandfolks, originally from Johnson Ct. lived up at the end of a holler. Once you push too far north, you get out of the mountains, and we have to exclude you. I used to sleep on the bread racks. Doris, do I know you? I grew up in Sunshine too. We live in McCreary Co now, so still SEKY. One side was a roller rink. Women took over the picket lines. The only tv stations the antenna could pick up were out of knoxville Fleming County has beautiful, rolling hills, but they arent mountains. The folks in Brookside were surely Harlan Countians as was the chief gun thug, Basil Collins. We have exchanged information over the years. Both my grandsons have degrees in med profession PT and Massage Therapy. ha! I left a long time ago and went back to live there once for a few years. I try to go back a couple times a year, for nostalgia as much as bagging those elusive, scarce birds. A spokesman for the Harlan Appalachian Regional Hospital said Mr. Bruner, who was shot with a . Harlan County. The motel next to Holy Trinity was a Holiday Inn Express at one time, but now its a Comfort Inn. Right now, its in a big down turn. What year, and how did he die (or is he still alive)? Bell county baby.We got the mountains here too. 66, originally of Loudoun County, VA passed away January . Harlan Countians like Justified. I saw a little of all of it. Oh, people still get shot occasionally but at much lower rate than wed like you to believe. My mom always bought margarine but our housekeeper would get the butter and we thought it was strong. Nowadays, I would love to have some! Irene Whitehead Clark. Im not from Kentucky saw this blog post through a friends facebook but Ive really enjoyed reading it and the comments! McCreary just has that Eastern Kentucky feel to it. I just tried a case in Illinois. Wayne brought u shea and ur mom n I think he took pictures. Very proud of my heritage. Regardless, they came back. We were just there in July , I love going back to visit. Nobody has ever even looked at me sideways up there; theyve always treated me well. One day I kidding with a guy about something he was buying and at some point he says that hes from Mingo, West Virginia. I even remember who it was, but lets let bygones be bygones. Users who like (A Previously Patreon Episode): Harlan County USA; Users who reposted (A Previously Patreon Episode): Harlan County USA Raised up on Happy Top, Back Street and Creechs. Jan had so many stories about the hospital. On future blog give Watts Creek a mention. Barbara Kopple Reflects on Joys and Dangers of Filming 'Harlan County, USA'. Being 60yrs old now, I am very proud of my ancestors and family heritage. Outlander here Born at HARH, raised in Grays Knob- attended Hall Elementary and Junior High, JACHS and then got out to attend UK. My mom (Joyce Abraham) was a home ec teacher at JACHS at the time of government commodities, and she had students who always offered to sell her their cheese for $5.00 a block. The culture you describe in Harlan is very similar to Leadville-only the accents are different-except for my dadhe never lost his. I am origionally from Atlanta. Janice and I were both switchboard operators and admissions clerk. Rich Montjoy, I am replying to your post because you didnt say anything bad about Harlan, (Harlan County), Ky. I grew up in the town of Harlan, at the bottom of Ivy Hill. You probably know others of my family, like my sister Lisa, that worked at the Enterprise for years and now works for Corrections and lives in Georgetown; or my cousins that went to James A.Cawood, Ruth Ann and Gary Cox. Harlan County was fighting for the right to have a union. In the 1970s, a strip-mining company asserted its ownership over the mineral rights for property he. My mother is Drena Crowder-Leonard. Salinas - Longtime Salinas resident Basil Eugene Mills passed away peacefully on January 14, 2022, at the age of 91. I have enjoyed these old memories!!! She talks about taking care of her father through his health issues while also participating in the Brookside strike. And of course, I mean that in a funny, I`m laughing kind of way. Our Location. Congrats on a good job describing a little bit of what most folks cant imagine happened. Harlan is tough. My Mom and grandparents are gone now but I have always continued to visit with relatives in Harlan every summer. I know that area, well, too. She was retired from the Harlan County Board of Education, where she worked at the Wallins School. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. Then we moved up on Park Hill in Loyall. Not many folks have a clue of my history, and thats fine. If you live in Harlan, I cant say that I blame you. Raised with his brother Dale and cousins. Still consider Harlan County as home. SO neat to see my family talked about on here! Itd be hard to sneeze and not hit a Creech with the spray. If you dont, I cant fault you for that, either. but was always glad to talk to her by phone. Garys was a fun place. They go to other parts of the state or country and live as ex-Harlan Countians. Loved Justified. In that regard, Harlan is Small Town, USA. I know that area well. I would have loved to have had that McDonalds there when I was kid. Did you know Jimmy C. Morgan? And should I know you? This, so they say, makes them mountain people. I need a shirt like that. What Mountains besides the one on the border with Virginia, Black Mt.(?)? Kathy Ann Duncan, age 62 of Cumberland, Kentucky, passed away Thursday, February 9th, 2023, at the Harlan Appalachian Regional Hospital. Harlan County USAdivides us into two groups: Those that love it and those that hate it. He died in 1978, I dont remember the year Basil died, but early 1980s is right. Oh, you might go to Garys Lounge and Roller Rink sometimes. Different, but nice. Contents 1 County Information 1.1 Description 1.2 County Courthouse 1.3 Harlan County, Kentucky Record Dates 1.4 Record Loss 1.5 Boundary Changes 1.6 Populated Places 1.7 History Timeline While my friends and fellow graduates were leaving here, I was happy to stay in a place I loved. I am sure he is talking about when he grew up and how times were then I am from Harlan live here now .I loved the article and havent read anything disrespectful . Jenny Lynn (Saylor) Moore I was born and raised in Wallins ,lived there until I was 28 moved to Florida w/ My husband David Moore from Graysknob, we both graduated from James A. Cawood, My heart is still in the mountains, you can take the girl out of the country but you cant take the country out of the girl, we long to come back some someday Lord willing, I am a Harlan girl to the bone. My husband has worked in low coal where one had to crawl to get to your section. The general store, a thriving Coal community. I was mostly raised In Floyd Co. KY & did live in Grundy , Va. at one time. Now kids go to Harlan County High School which consumed Cawood, Evarts and Cumberland High Schools. You need some coal mines, either now or in the past. , well leave the porch light on. You havent had a grilled cheese sandwich until youve had one made with govment cheese, govment butter and fresh Bunny Bread. Thanks for reminding me of a great memory of my mother! I knew the Clarks well. They find it hard to believe we had no fast food restaurants. Very funny (and true). Crow Drums 70 (CHS). I have been told that he worked harder than 3 men. My dad was a teacher at JACHS from 1962 to 1968. Oh, and we moaned and complained about not having anything to do. It still is in some ways, although it has been many years since the United Mine Workers Association held great sway. Born and raised in Harlan, graduated from HHS in 1974, and UK in 78.went to work in Washington DC.talk about culture shock! Im happy living here. Basil Collins Harlan County Obituary | Death | Basil Collins Dead | Died | Funeral Plans - We heard about the great loss, that Basil Collins is no more and has reportedly passed away. My dad spent much of childhood there in the 30s. And they were well respected. Kevin Keating as Director of Photography. I love being from there. If you need to go someplace that can be accessed through Harlan County, I guarantee that theres an easier, quicker way to get there. Food stamps, too. Love your response, I live in central ky for a lot of years now, but when I can go home I stay at the Comfort Inn Hotel, it is a Blessing to us out of towners, I think this page is right on, and I dont like the way most people think of Harlan, we are just like anyone else, even if we have a little accent, awesome page, and I lived in Loyall a few years also, my mother died there, thanks for letting people know that its not all justified, although I have never watched a full episode, they are awful. They didnt know what to do with me! Thanks for the great story. Im one of those that left for work but I have a brother who still lives there and I occasionally visit. Mrs Abraham was my Home Ec teacher @Hall High. Crusenberry talks about being asked by a group of women to . The obvious beingwe are just like you and every one else. You talked funny. They just hang around and complain. U take car cuz. These folks are Harlan Countians, but they dont like it. Coal Mining. Thanks. Two of my best friends were Steve Farley and Jamie Helton. I REMEMBER govt. Btw, the Mount Victory part of this county feels very Eastern KY. Just found the blog and enjoyed it. This excludes Boyd, Greenup, Lewis, etc. GOD BLESS YOU ALL. When attempting to explain to someone where I grew up it was easiest to say somewhere between Harlan and Hazard. I actually grew up on Beech Fork in Leslie County. I was raised over the mountain at Little Laurel. 4. I worked as a car hop from Denny rays rite out of high school. Thanks for your comments. Youre probably thinking of Arthur Johnson. Harlan, KY Mt Pleasant Funeral Home Inc Add Photos 1 Memory Ruby Margaret Smith Ruby Margaret "Lucy" Widner Smith, 70, of Essie passed away Monday, February, 20, 2023, at her residence. We were poor and I will say very poor. Alan Creech, such nice thoughts and memories of this beautiful part of God earth that I am proud to call home. Our teeth arent all that bad, although mine arent great. He was actually the son of my aunts husband, so that technically makes him a cousin, but age-wise he was more of my dads generation so that made him an uncle. Coal mining runs in cycles. A full obituary will follow in The Daily Star. On this criterion, Robertson County would qualify, but again, its just too far north. That bastion of journalism, Hustler Magazine, once listed Harlan (the town) as one the three meanest towns in America. This is where Norma lives, was the reply. And a little c.r.a.z.y. I grew up in this wonderful town, going for summers and Christmas in Atlanta. We have live all over Eastern Ky, moved south to the Carolinas, then back to eastern Ky for a couple years. Thank you. JACHS did not open until the 66 67 school year. Im sure youd know if you were related. Whitley County has an interstate so are they still Eastern Kentucky? You shouldve had to breath half a can of hairspray in the morning after he got out of the bathroom. An obituary will follow. My grandfather was from Island Creek, and my grandmother was from Harold. I also would talk to Art at the store in Loyall, where I would stop to get gas. 1 Index Record. The experiences never leave me about growing up poor and the shame and humiliation that I felt as a child. Like much of Eastern Kentucky, the population has declined for decades. Wouldnt trade it for anything. Swanson is preceded in death by his Parents, Franklin and Opal Swanson; a Brother, Franklin Swanson Jr.; His companion for 20 years, Minnie Sue Earls; and Nephews . I got cussed up and down over it! And hell, I was taken at knife-point down into the creek at Hall when I was in 6th grade. We know trash when we see it, and Im not talking about garbage pick up. I feel the same way, even though my sons say they cant believe I grew up there! Who are we? My husband is a retired coal miner. First, much of what I wrote is tongue in cheek. 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